Canon 5d Mark II vs Canon 7D
Which is right for you, the Canon 7D or the 5D MarkII?

Canon EOS 7D vs. 5D MarkII : Who should buy the 7D?

The Differences That Matter

The first difference worth mentioning, of course, is the price tag…. about $900 difference, if the current prices listed are any indication (7D at about $1599 at Amazon and the 5D Mark II at about $1,199.95). Since we’re looking at a couple of cameras that have the build quality for professional use, with magnesium alloy bodies, full HD video capabilities, top notch processors, and some of the most advanced CMOS sensors around, we can expect professional quality results from either camera. In fact, comparing the columns of features for the two cameras reveals that the vast majority of them are identical.  Something must justify the price difference, though.

Most obviously is the CMOS sensor difference, the 5Dii being a 21M pixel, full frame sensor, and the 7D being an APS-C size holding about 18Megapixels. The 7D has dual Digic4 processors, whereas the 5Dii has only one. Probably as a result of this, the new arrival boasts burst speeds about twice as fast as the 5D. There are many other minor differences (and perhaps a few significant ones), but I think that these are the most important to consider up front.

Pixels and Sensor Size

The practical difference between 18 and 21 Megapixels in terms of raw size is minimal.
Matthew Gore | Light And Matter The practical difference between 18 and 21 Megapixels in terms of raw size is minimal.

If all other things were equal, the pixel count between the 7D and 5D Mark II would not be a significant factor in choosing one camera over the other. I’ve illustrated the file size difference (left) with images scaled to the dimensions of each camera’s output, but just by looking at the numbers we can get a pretty good idea of how things would stand. The difference is about an inch in on each axis… not a big deal.

But of course, it’s not quite that simple. Since the 7D’s sensor is considerably smaller than that of the 5D, its receptors are also smaller and more densely packed. Traditionally, dense receptors have produced more digital noise than their larger counterparts, especially during long exposures which generate more heat. Canon has done a good job of controlling digital noise with their efficient sensors and processing in the past, and although the 7D produces relatively little digital noise, it still falls a bit short of the performance of the 5D Mark II, which has been so highly praised for its ability to produce low noise images in nearly any lighting situation. A variety of ISO comparisons are available across the internet, including mine, here, if you’d like to see how subtle the difference is.

Much more importantly, though, is how the sensor size effects resolution. Many photographers have already noted that the receptor density of the Canon 50D has already matched (in resolution) what we used to achieve with slow 35mm film. Indeed, on the 50D, the sensor density is roughly 213 pixels per millimeter, a density that would produce a 39 megapixel image on full frame sensor such as the 5D series. The 7D takes this development even further, with around 233 pixels per millimeter, at which resolution a full frame sensor would produce a 46.7 megapixel image.

Why do these numbers  matter? Because at this resolution, the image quality is frequently limited by  the lens rather than the sensor.  Even at the 15 megapixels of the Canon 50D (and certainly at the 18 megapixels of the 7D) the sensor will usually have the resolution to capture all of the detail that the lens can resolve, including the flaws in the lens performance such as chromatic aberration, corner softness, diffraction, and any manufacturing flaws; adding additional megapixels will only serve to increase file size, not detail. The same thing can be achieved with good up-sampling software, such as onOne’s Genuine Fractals.  Furthermore, since the sensor is smaller than a full frame dSLR’s, the image will have to be enlarged proportionately more to achieve the same size print… which will also enlarge the flaws from the lens. An excellent article about this effect in the Canon 50D with photographic examples can be found on the Luminous Landscape.

In order to reap any benefit from the increased resolution of the 7D’s sensor, photographers will need to use the best lenses and their best technique. Some of Canon’s “L” lenses and a few lenses from the Pro lines of other manufacturers (such as Sigma, Tokina, and Tamron) will produce quality results, but even those lenses will need to be used properly. The photographer will need to determine the optimum aperture for each lens (at which it produces the highest resolution across the full frame) before being limited by diffraction by the aperture leaves. Furthermore, tripods and remote (or timed) release will be crucial.

Another important difference due to sensor size is the depth-of-field (DOF). In general terms, the larger the sensor or film, the shallower the depth of field. The difference in DOF between a Canon APS-C sensor and a full-frame is slightly more than 1 f-stop (ie; if a 5D Mark II is using a 200mm lens and a 7D is using a 125mm to get an equivalent field of view, the 7D has to shoot at f/1.8 to get DOF as shallow as the 5D has at f/2.8). Depending what you shoot, having greater depth of field can either be a drawback or a benefit: it can be great for photographers who want as much in focus as possible, a nuisance for photographers wishing to separate their subject from a blurry background.

Who Should Buy the Canon 7D, then?

From the previous section, you might be under the impression that I would not recommend the 7D, but that’s not the case. The issue depends entirely on the photographer’s shooting style. The speed of the 7D, coupled with its new AF system and large, bright viewfinder, make it an excellent choice for sports photographers and other journalists for whom the increased (1.6x) magnification are a benefit. Wedding photojournalists may be included in this group. These photographers, who regularly hand-hold their shots and reproduce them in forums that do not necessitate the highest resolution, are not effected by the lens resolution limits.

Art and Landscape photographers, on the other hand, may benefit from the better overall resolution of the 5D Mark II. Since these photographers typically shoot for the highest resolution, with heavy tripods and excellent technique, they will notice the better image quality from the 5D, but also will get the most out of a 7D if they happen to use one.

The 7D is the best choice if you…The 5D Mark II is the best choice if you…
shoot lots of action: sports, journalism, events.shoot landscapes, macros, or fine detail work.
don’t mind getting extra depth of field.prefer shallower depth of field and traditional perspective.
frequently shoot telephoto.use full frame, wide angle lenses.
usually shoot hand-held shots.usually use a tripod or studio strobes.
expect to buy the best quality lenses and use them at their optimal settings to get the most from you sensor.use a wide range of full frame lenses.
believe that speed, responsiveness, and good resolution are most important to you.believe that excellent resolution/best image quality and good speed are most important to you.

Video Features

The 5D Mark II is ultimately better for video if you’re willing to put some work into it, by doing things like using firmware side-cars (eg, Magic Lantern), upgrading to the most recent Canon firmware, and using some less than user-friendly video controls along with film industry hardware add-ons.

The 7D is better for the casual video user due to its ease-of-use. It has a dedicated video record button, for example, and the same resolutions and frame rates as the 5D Mk II.

If you’re interested in the video capabilities of the 5D Mark II and the 7D (and Rebel T2i), please follow this link to my related article on the subject: Video Features of the Canon EOS 5D Mark II and Canon EOS 7D.

Please Comment! I’m always interested to hear whether my readers find the articles interesting, useless, or otherwise… and more importantly, I’d like to hear your opinions and additional information, even if it’s just  a tidbit. THANKS!

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  1. Hey!

    Its been 4 years that I’ve been using my 1000D. I shoot aquarium fishes.
    But now when magazines have actually started liking and buying my pictures, I seriously need a better camera. I cant go beyond ISO100 in my 1000D as it produces a lot of light (its 4 years old and has been taking photos continuously since then).
    I also am in birding. Also planning for a 100-400.
    So based on your wonderful explanation, I totally get that 7D is my thing.
    I was just wondering that – If I take a shot from 5D and crop it to the size of 7D’s sensor, and compare it with the image taken from 7D, will they both be the same (image quality ?) ? Or 7D will have better or lower quality? Considering the fact that even if the 7D has smaller sensor, the pixels are very closely clamped in it’s sensor! I hope my question made sense.
    One more thing- This might sound silly but since I’m an International student doing my grad here, I dont know if I can really get discount while buying a camera if I wait for thanksgiving sales! Or chances getting a good deal in cameras is very rare and I should go ahead and buy it anytime?

    Thanks,
    Waiting for your reply.

    1. Hi Sumer,

      Sorry for the delay, it’s been a busy week :)

      The 7D’s sensor has a much higher pixel density than the 5D, you’re right. Cropped, an image from the 5D would be much lower resolution and a much smaller file, but it would have appreciably less noise. It would probably appear a bit softer, because of how the anti-aliasing filter on the sensor works. In most instances, I’d prefer the 7D… and especially for birding.

      Unfortunately, higher-end SLRs don’t usually go on sale around the holidays. There are discounts offered now and then throughout the year, and the ones around Thanksgiving are not usually any better… though sometimes you can get stuff bundled along with the camera (memory cards, filters, etc). I probably wouldn’t bother waiting :)

      Good Luck!

      – Matthew

  2. Hi Matthew,

    I am thinking of buying my second DSLR. I currently own a Canon Rebel XSI & am thinking about upgrading to a 7D or 5D Mark II.
    I like the idea of using a full frame sensor. I really want the video capability but it isn’t the main reason for upgrading.
    I don’t mind having to buy new lenses with it or anything, but I am very passionate about photography and would eventually like to do some freelancing. :)
    I am wondering if the extra cash for the 5D Mark II would be worth the quality of the photos in the long run.
    I have been doing some real estate photography with a Sigma 10-20 mm. I also love portraits & landscape.
    I do a lot of editing with these photos afterwards as well.

    thanks,

    danielle

    1. Hi Danielle,

      Like a lot of photographers these days, I shoot with both: full frame and APS-C, depending on the subject and situation. With careful processing, you really should be able to get excellent image quality from the 7D or a full frame (the Canon 6D should also be in the running :) ), but in low light, full-frame has a distinct advantage.

      A full frame camera can give you better image quality in the long run, as long as you use the right lenses, technique, and processing.

      You might consider renting a Canon 6D or 5D Mark II for a few days, doing some heavy shooting with your current camera and the full frame, and then process the images, and see how much difference you see with your workflow.

      – Matthew

  3. Hi Matthew,
    Thanks for the wonderful writing comparing the 2 cameras in the first place but I have a few questions that I’m hoping you can answer. I’m trying to upgrade from the Canon EOS rebel t2i and have been interested in the EOS 5d Mark ii. My main goal is to try to capture a lot of landscape, sky, and low light to very low light images. Is the EOS 5d Mark ii a good camera for me? Or should I consider the 7d, which would be my other choice? The price difference is really what is making me stop and consider this so much.
    Thanks
    Ryan.

    1. For landscapes and low-light, there’s really a significant advantage to 5D Mark II, or of course, you might consider the newer Canon 6D, which also has very good low-light performance. The megapixel count difference is minimal… not really significant.

      Of course, for low-light photography, the lens is really at least as important as the body, if not more so. If you were doing night landscapes / starscapes, you’ll really have a huge advantage with a lens like a Sigma 35mm f1.4 , or the Canon 28mm f/1.8 over something like a standard variable aperture zoom.

      – Matthew

      1. Alright thank you so much for the quick response. I’ve been doing much research on the EOS 6D today and am pretty impressed with it.
        Thanks again,
        Ryan

  4. Hello

    I have been reading through all of this and I gained a slight understand on what camera is best and lenses etc. However I am going into documentary style filming and I have been battling myself on deciding whether to get the Canon 7D or 5D Mark II. But from reading your responses you mentioned that the 60D is much better for movie style yet 5D Mark II was used in Iron Man 2 and Avengers. And I am trying to get the best quality which then leaves into the stress on picking the correct or most effective lenses. I Defo Need Help Lol

    1. Hi Deniro,

      Again, let me stress that I’m not really into film/video , I pretty much prefer photographs. So, I may not be the best person to talk to. That said, The 60D is probably better for video than the 7D (because of the Magic Lantern firmware), but it is also available for the 5D Mark II. Ultimately, the 5D will probably be better; it is more commonly used for professional video work, and it has the larger sensor and better low-light performance. But they’ll both work well.

      – Matthew

  5. So between a Cannon D7, D5 mark ii and D5 Mark iii which would you recomend to film movie video? for now I can only afford a D7 or D5 mark ii used, but I will sacrifice and wait to get a mark iii if you tell me there is a significant difference and worth the wait …thanks for all your information here it has been very helpful

    1. Hi Mar,

      Before anything else, let me mention that I don’t do much with video, myself. I just dabble a little bit, now and then, so I’m probably not the best person to ask.

      That said, if you’re going to use an APS-C SLR, like the 7D, for video… I’d actually recommend using the Canon 60D instead of the 7D. The 60D can use the unified Magic Lantern firmware, which adds significant functionality to the camera for video (and still photography). It is available for the 5D Mark II, the 60D, and the Rebel Series, but the last time I checked, something in the 7D was blocking development.

      http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Unified#Are_you_a_musician_or_audiophile.3F

      It’s also worth noting that the sensor size of the 60D is a closer match to Super 35 film, commonly shot in movie cameras… the 5D series are a little larger.

      There are some video related improvements to the 5D Mark III, but I’m not sure that they’d be important to most of us. As you may know, the 5D Mark II has been used to film HD TV shows (House, Hawaii Five-O) and parts of movies like “Iron Man II” and “The Avengers”. If you would be satisfied with the quality of those productions, then you probably don’t need to worry about the improvements available in the Mark III.

      The 5D Mark III does have a headphone jack, which is handy.

      Good luck!

      – Matthew

  6. Hello Mattew, i wrote you a few months ago, hope u remember me. I have a Canon 7D with 4 lenses: Canon 17-55, Canon 24-55, Canon 28-135, and Canon 55-250. I do Aerial photography for living. My question is: which of the above lenses will be my best choice? Or which lens will you recommend me to get to improve the image quality? I appreciate your advice. Best regards. Donald Villarreal.

    1. Hi Donald,
      Yes, I do remember :) It’s tricky to answer that question, though, since those lenses all have different ranges, and each has its own strengths and weaknesses. For most of the wide angle range, I’d give the advantage to the 17-55 f/2.8; that’s a great lens. The 28-135 is good all around, but not spectacular at any part of the range. The 55-250 is a little better, and is the only choice if you want longer telephoto reach, of course.

      I’m not familiar with the 24-55… perhaps that’s a typo or another brand?

      – Matthew

      1. Hi. Thank you very much for answering. I’m wrong about the lens. It is a 24-85 mm. I kind of like this lens better than the 28-135. The 55-250mm is very good. But I don’t know which of my lenses will do the best job with my camera. Best regards. Donald

        1. Ahh, ok. That’s on older lens that isn’t great for full-frame cameras, but on APS-C cameras like the 7D, it’s actually pretty good because of the “sweet-spot” effect (ie, the sensor uses the best part of the image circle it produces).

          In general, I’d prefer the 17-55 where the range overlaps, but there aren’t going to be major differences (except that you’ll have to be careful to correct the chromatic aberrations from the 24-85, they’re strong). Plus, you’ll get more light (and better shutter speeds) with the 17-55.

          Honestly, though, the important thing is going to be your technique, because the vibrations from the plane are going to blur your images quite a bit if you aren’t very careful. You’ll have to make sure that no part of your camera is touching the body of the plane or the window; that will transfer the vibrations directly from the plane to the sensor (unless you have a gyro-stabilizer or something similar). Even a tripod isn’t advised. You’re better off holding the camera in your hands, with your arms acting as shock absorbers. If you have an open window, it’s best not to rest your arms on the frame, since that will also transfer vibrations to the camera.

          And so forth. I don’t do aerial photography, so I don’t know all the tricks :) Good luck!

          – Matthew

          1. Thanks again. One more question. If you where going to do aerial photography, what lens will you use? I normally set the camera on TV, 1/1250, ISO 200 and fly around 1.000-1.500 ft above the ground. I have a couple of dollars I will like to spend on a pretty good lens instead of changing my camera… Best regards. Don

            1. I really don’t know. It would really depend on the type of pictures I was trying to take… whether I were trying to capture small details on the ground, or larger mountain panoramas, or something else entirely.

              Since you already have the 17-55 f/2.8, which would be my choice at the wide end, my next choice would probably be a 70-200 f/2.8. Since you’d be shooting from the air, that would have to be image-stabilized, so…

              I’d probably go with the Canon 70-200 f/2.8L IS II, or the Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 VC USD. They’re both great lenses. The Canon is amazing, but expensive.

              – Matthew

      2. Hi Matthew, I found a Tamron 18-270 lens for my canon 7D. Is this a good lens? I appreciate your advice. Best regards. Donald

        1. Hi Donald,

          In my opinion, it is not. In fact, any of the all-in-one zoom lenses out there have major optical problems, including Canon and Nikon’s 18-200 zooms. They are convenient, though.

    2. Hello Matthew, hope you are doing fine. I wrote you a few weeks ago I was using a 17-55 lens for my CNon 7D. Last week it fell down from a table and broke… I found a Canon 18-55. Is this a Good lens for my camera? I appreciatte your advice. Best regads. Don.

      1. Optically, the 18-55 is not too bad. It’s a decent lens… though it is decidedly entry-level. The major downside, over the 17-55 f/2.8 is that the 18-55 is an f/5.6 at 55mm. This means that it lets in only 1/4 of the light that the 17-55 does, so you’ll have trouble getting fast shutter speeds if the light is getting low.

        That said, when there’s sufficient light, it will be fine.

        – Matt

  7. Hi Matthew,

    I am confused between 7D or 6D. This is the first time i am going to buy a DSLR after using NEX & Olympus OMD, as they can’t focus on moving subjects accurately because of CDAF.

    Even the Olympus OMD spoiled up my daughter’s 1st B’day party as i didn’t have a nice lens & only shot with kit 12-50 mm lens & had lots of bad photos.

    I have a $3,000 budget.I could buy the following kits for that price :

    1.Canon 7D + Tokina 11-16 f2.8 + New Sigma 35mm f1.4 + Canon 24-105 f4 L.
    2. Canon 6d + Canon 24-105 f4 L + New Sigma 35 mm f1.4.

    Or if could stretch my budget a little bit then another $500 would get 5D Markiii + Canon 24-105L.

    I am not a professional photographer ,as i am an accountant by profession.
    I have 2 kids that i take photos of
    & here in Australia i love taking photos of beaches & family trips to theme parks & zoos.
    I haven’t even started shooting RAW,but would do if required.
    I want to build a system that gives me good photos even if have to spend some time.

    If you could help me to choose or suggest a different set up then it would be great.

    Thanks
    Sonny

    1. Hi Sonny,

      That’s a hard choice, without knowing more about your shooting style and interests. As you may have already read, my general advice is: Buy the least expensive camera that will meet your needs, and buy the best lenses that you can afford.

      That said, the trick is to figure out what will meet your needs. The 7D has a better autofocus system and can shoot faster, but the 6D has a better autofocus system than the 5D Mark II and the 60D, and many professionals have used those cameras (including myself) with great success… and the 6D’s 4.5 fps is not bad.

      Where the 6D will excel is when it comes to low-light image quality. If you do a lot of shooting indoors, the 6D may be the way to go. I’ve done quite a bit of shooting with the 60D and 7D indoors, and when I’m not using flash, a large aperture lens is a must… using ISOs higher than 800 has never produced results that I’m satisfied with, as a professional… though some people have different requirements.

      I don’t recommend the 24-105 on the 7D, for two reasons. First, the optical quality just isn’t good enough to deal with the high pixel density on the 7D’s sensor (I mentioned some of the problems in the article above), and the other is that the zoom range just isn’t very useful… 24mm isn’t very wide, and 105 isn’t very long.

      But lets just start with the body. What are your reasons for considering each?

      – Matthew

      1. Thanks Matthew,

        I am just a beginner that just likes taking good quality images preferably straight from the camera.
        As mentioned i generally take my camera out on family occasions like B’day parties or beach and theme park visits where sometimes i need to zoom in to get closer.Yeah that’s true that half of those occasions will have moderate to low light.

        I have just read on Canon forums that they are going to launch Canon 70D on 21st March this month, an APSC camera of course.But would that be good enough to go to full frame & if yes then should i be looking for Canon 5d Markiii + (24-105mm L or any cheap prime lens) or 6d with the lens of your recommendation.Or would you recommend to go to APSC with excellent lenses that you recommend.

        As said because i am starting from the scratch so would love to buy a kit that lasts me at least few years.

        I have considered Nikon options too, but i i just simply don’t like Nikon’s out of camera colours.they are simply not pleasing to my eyes as compared to Canon.

        Thanks
        Sonny

        1. Hi Sonny,

          It may be worth waiting a couple of weeks to see what the 70D is like. Currently, Canon’s APS-C sensor cameras are lagging behind in low-light performance, using a sensor design that’s several years old. Who knows what the 70D sensor will look like; they may use a sensor like the T4i’s that has integrated phase-detect sensors on it for faster video/live AF. Let’s hope not. Or, they might aim for the best image quality and provide a sensor with better low-light performance and dynamic range.

          My general advice is always to buy the least expensive camera that will meet your needs, and the best lenses that you can afford, so…

          Leaving the 70D out of the discussion for the moment, it sounds to me as though you aren’t going to make especially high demands of the camera body (at least, any good camera body should be able to meet them) except when it comes to noise/low-light.

          With good lenses, a small sensor will handle low light without too much trouble. However, a larger sensor will do better.

          So, I’d probably lean towards the full-frame Canon 6D. The 24-105 f/4 would work well with it, but it’s not the best for low light. You could get a 50mm f/1.4 for low light.

          My preferred kit for general shooting is a 70-200 f/2.8 and a 24-70 f/2.8. Canon’s versions of these lenses are expensive, but Tamron’s are less, and quite good. The Canon 85mm f/1.8 is a good portrait lens (and not very expensive), too.

          When it comes down to it, lens choice is a very personal decision; the lens you choose has to fit your circumstances and shooting style, and artistic vision.

          – Matthew

          1. Hi Matthew,

            So it looks like 70D has been delayed.So, what would be you suggestion for the
            best body & lens combo under $3000.And do i need a speedlite with the kit as well.

            I would mainly like to cover 24-120mm range, because i am not in wildlife Photography.Would love to do portraits of my family & some landscape photography.

            Thanks

  8. Have been looking at both 5Dm2 & 7D and have read various comparisons. I want to compliment you on your easy to understand, plain language and and yet comprehensive analysis. So often reviewers are more interested in showing how technically accumen they are, getting bogged down in too much detail and lose sight of the important aspects of the products. You don’t do that, kudos.

    “My general advice for photographers, though, is to buy the least expensive camera that will fulfill their needs, buy the best lenses they can afford, and practice as much as possible.”
    —-Great advice

    Looking at some very good used cameras in both models, so the prices are closer and lower now than before so I can afford to buy either. My delimma is I do both indoor creative shots where field of depth is important and outdoor action/event shots. Resolution differences are not important would be negligible for what I do. Soooo, I was wondering in your opinion which one is most versatile? Since the 5Dm2’s strength is studio and the 7D’s strength is outdoor action the real question for me would be to compare which is better covering its weakness. Is the 5Dm2 better at outdoor/event shots (it’s weakness) or is the 7D better at indoor studio? Does that make sense?

    Appreciate your opinion. Thanks!
    Brian

  9. Shot primarily sports, but also some portrait photography have 70-200 2.8 IS Found 7 D for $1200, Mark ii fror $1800 and Markiii for $3200. For the $ and my use 7D the right choice? Just dont want to miss out on the portrait end.. Thanks for your advice!

    1. Hi Paula,

      If you primarily shoot sports, the 7D is definitely the way to go. You’ll enjoy the speed and responsiveness of the camera, and you’ll get good use out of the 1.6x crop factor of the sensor (which is something I miss when shooting wildlife or sports with a full frame camera). Of course, if you have the extra money to throw around, the 5D Mark III is amazing in low-light situations, which also makes it great for sports, but it’s a considerable price difference.

      The 7D is great for portraiture as well. You’ll have to use longer lenses, or use slightly larger apertures to get the same shallow depth of field that you would with a 5D, but the difference is modest… it’s still very easy to get nice separation and bokeh. Alfred Lopez (another author here) and I have both used the small sensor with a great deal of success for professional portraiture.

      I see that on Amazon.com, the 7D is $1199 with free 1-Day shipping, which is a great deal, considering what they sold for last year. Worth considering :)

      Good luck!

      – Matthew

      1. You mention several times to purchase the higher grade lens for the 7D, which lens specifically do you recommend? 17-55 2.8, 17-40L or 24-105L? I currently own the 7D but I am on the market for a good all around lens. I typically shot portraits, casual shots and some landscape. What do you recommend?

        1. Hi Albert,

          The 17-55 f/2.8 is excellent (Sigma’s is really good too); the 17-40 and 24-105 are not quite as impressive; in fact, the 24-105 has been very problematic for me on a crop sensor camera.

          Any of the 70-200 L lenses would be excellent, and of course, the new 24-70 f/2.8 II, most of the prime lenses.

          If you’re looking for an all-in-one lens (wide to telephoto), you’re going to have to sacrifice some image quality, but the new STM 18-135 is pretty good.

          – Matthew

            1. My main problem was with chromatic abberations that were so bad that they were not correctable. This isn’t an issue with larger sensors because their sensors’ receptors are larger, but for the densely packed receptors on an APS-C sensor, it can be.

              There’s a link to a story about this above : http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/50d.shtml , with regards to a 50D, which had lower resolution than the 7D.

              In some cases, this has improved with ACR and Lightroom improvements, but I still have trouble with some images.

              When it comes to resolution and sharpness, the lens is good, particularly once you’ve done all you can with the CAs.

              – Matthew

  10. HI Matthew

    I am a young filmmaker, i am in the dilemme between spending my money in 5Dor a 7D, I have to tell you , they stole my first 5D. I shoot commercial most of the time in a third world country Haiti. I have some really good L lenses, i have a 50mm 1.4 and  85mm 1.2 and a14/35. please help me making that decision.

    1. Hi Chery,

      First, I’m sorry to hear about the stolen camera; I’ve had that happen and it’s always awful.

      It really depends on what your considerations are with the camera. In general, the 5D is the better model for film work, especially with the Magic Lantern firmware. It will give you shallower depth of field (about 1 stop better) and better low-light performance, though both are good. The 5D is obviously more expensive, though, and the 7D also will give you shallow depth of field with the lenses you mention… so it really depends on how important that super shallow DOF is to you.

      I should also mention that I shoot very little video; that’s just not my area… so I may not be able to give you the best advice here.

      – Matthew

  11. Hi Mathew,

    My main interests in photography are Landscapes, Macro, Nature, and Travel! I currently have a canon eos 450D, and always carry a Giotto MH1302, with me, along with a EF 70-200 f/4 L; Macro 100mm f/2.8; and the older EF 28-105mm. I am upgrading my camera body, because i shoot for quite some time now and I’m feeling that right now my camera is my setback!!! I have good Lenses and planning on achieving another(wide angle)…but that new one will depend on the new camera body that I buy….I mean, should i Go Full Frame with the 5D Mark II(thinking of the 17-40 f/4 and because of something you said on a previous post the Tokina 16-28mm) or keep up with the 1.6x crop factor and go for the 7D(definitely the canon EF-S 10-22). Either way I plan on keeping the 450D!!

    I’ll Leave you this link so that you can see what i do….and give me an opinion on which one you think would benefit me more, the 5D Mark II or de 7D!

    http://olhares.sapo.pt/pedropenac

    Thanks a lot, I will Value greatly your opinion!!!

    Pedro Pena

    1. Hi Pedro,

      It sounds to me that the kind of photography you do makes you a great candidate for the 5D Mark II: landscape, macro and travel certainly… though it’s not as ideal for wildlife. And it sounds like you have a collection of lenses that will transfer over to the 5D nicely.

      However, it really depends on what it is about your current camera that you think is holding you back. The 5D will give you slightly better resolution for large prints, better low light performance, and shallower depth of field… but looking at your photos (you have some nice photos, btw), none of these things are obvious problems for you, though I admit, it’s hard to tell from web images.

      Both cameras (7D and 5D) will give you easier control over exposure compensation, which will make a difference where lighting is tricky, and the 7D will give you much better auto-focus performance. My general advice for photographers, though, is to buy the least expensive camera that will fulfill their needs, buy the best lenses they can afford, and practice as much as possible. It’s the practice that really makes the difference between a good photographer and a great one, especially if you’re able to get some feedback on your images in between shoots.

      So, to sum up: get the 5D if you truly think it will help you; it’s a great camera for what you do. If it’s not obvious how it will help you, expand your lens collection, and spend your saved money on some extra time in the field :) That’s really the fun part of being a photographer, anyway.

      – Matthew

      1. Matthew,

        Thanks for your help and quick reply! I appreciate your comment on my photos, it’s a nice boost in my confidence, and turns the expectations on future photos up a notch!!!

        You’re absolutely right when you say ” buy the least expensive camera that will fulfill their needs”, and that’s what i’m trying to do, because my major investment has always been towards the lenses!!

        Your comment was very useful, and although i havent decided yet….I’m one step closer to the 5D Mark II!! I Will keep following “Lightandmatter”. I really think your doing a great job.

        Best regards,

        Pedro

        1. I’m debating between 5d mark II or 7D. I have a five year old and most of the time i take pictures of him playing sports, class activities and outdoor photography. We also travel and i like to shot some of the landscaping. I do take family pictures for others outdoors and in low light indoors. Photography is my hobby and i’m planning on going to classes to learn more about it. Trying to buy buy the best camera and lens for my use. Please help me. Thank you.

  12. hi matt.. i bought my 5dmii and use my 24-105.. it suit me well and working fine.. the high iso performance make indoor shooting easier with less noise even at 3200.. as for sharpness, if let say my zoom 24-105mm are at f8 and my 135L at f8, will it give the same result for my photo’s brightness and sharpness given other setting is the same?

    thankz matt..^^

    1. Hi Syahir,

      Glad to hear the 5D is working out for you!

      Yes, f/8 on one lens is the same as f/8 on ANY lens, so results should be consistent with the same settings regardless of which lens you use, although in practice, there are sometimes minor differences between lenses… they’re usually only relevant in laboratory tests.

      – Matthew

  13. hi matt..

    i bought the 5dmii already with a 2nd hand lens of 24-105.. but somehow, i feel that the lens creep a little bit at 28-40… the other range stay just fine.. should i spend $150 usd for a new copy, or should i save them ? coz i read many articles saying that this zoom creep is quite normal for 24-105.. others like build quality and IQ is perfectly fine.. just the creep.. and i also read many people said that their lens become worse after sending for canon service.. im soo in dilemma since ive splash quite a sum for this combo.. the 5d was really awesome combined with this lens but this problem somehow make me uneasy ..

    thankz mat and waiting for your opinion..^^

    1. Hi Syahir,

      I haven’t had a creep problem with the 24-105, but it’s not a lens that I use regularly… and I’ve heard a lot of mixed information about that issue, too. I guess it boils down to how much of a problem it is for you. If it is problematic for you when the camera is tripod mounted and you’re shooting close-ups or landscapes, then I’d send it in for service; no point in keeping a lens that won’t work for you. However, if it’s something that you notice that happens when you’re walking around,  but it doesn’t really effect your work, then I wouldn’t worry about it.

      There are some “home remedies” for lens creep out there, if you search. I haven’t tried them, and I’m not sure that I would… but it’s another option for you. Good luck!

      – Matthew

  14. I need help, quickly!!! I love your article but it has made me even more confused on what to do. I already have a 7d but came across a guy selling his mark II for $1600 and it only has 1750actuations on it. It’s ‘a 9+camera. My problem is what do I do? Invest in better lenses or get this camera at a great price. I mean I shoot all types of photography but lean toward portraitures. Please help

    1. Hi Lee,

      I guess the question is… why do you want a new camera and what lenses do you want? Which is more likely to allow you to achieve what you’re going for?

      If you need better low-light performance, or shallower depth of field, you may have options in either camp. In general, my advice to spend money on lenses and buy the least expensive body that fulfills your needs.

      – Matthew

  15. hi matthew.. firstly thankz for your nice articles.. ive been seaching for a camera to paired with my 24-105mmL.. firstly i was thinking of buying the 7d for its price,af, and.fps..but im someone who love to take photo indoor and family events.. thats when i started thinking to go for 5dmark2 for its better iso performance in order to compensate the f4 of my lens and the fullframe give me better wide end at 24.. should i buy the 7d and.a wide prime lens (although prime which os affordable like the 28mm is not that wide but might be able for indoor event) or should i buy the 5d which already able to conpensate the f stop for indoor photography.. really looking forward for your advice and suggestion..

    p/s : ive been using olympus epl 1 for a few years and thinking of upgrading them to a dslr..

    thankz again matthew..

    1. Hi Syahir,

      Glad you’re finding the articles helpful :) Let me just start out by saying that the 24-105 and the 7D just don’t mix very well. If you click through the “Luminous Landscape” article linked above, you’ll see one of the reasons why: the high resolution/pixel density of Canon’s modern APS-C sensors reveals the optical flaws with that particular lens (and several others), and they’re very hard to correct completely.  And, as you’ve already hinted at, the 24mm end of the zoom just isn’t very wide on the 7D, it ends up being a bit disappointing.

      At this point, cost is really the only concern. It sounds like the 5D Mark III would be perfect for you: excellent low light abilities along with the speed of the 7D.

      If that’s out of the question due to economic considerations (it is substantially more than the Mark II), then I would definitely opt for the Mark II over the 7D if you want to use the 24-105, unless you do a lot of sports photography or other high-action photography that you haven’t had a chance to mention yet. The Mark II is relatively cheap now that the Mark III is out, and it’s a great camera.

      Good luck!

      – Matthew

  16. Hi there, I will like to ask you guys a question. I have the Canon 7D and use it for aerial photography on a single engine cessna, most of the time with Canon 28-135mm lens. I’m very happy with it, it is very fast and exellent images… but I keep on thinking about if Canon 5D will give me better quality images?? I appreciate your advice. Best regards. Don

    1. Hi Donald,

      Under those conditions, it’s unlikely that you’d see any significant difference in image quality. The 5D has the advantage in a few areas, but here are my thoughts on them:

      When it comes to image resolution, the 5D and 7D are extremely close to begin with, as long as the 7D has a good lens. The difference is so minor, in fact, that unless you use perfect technique, it will probably be lost. Perfect technique in this case means using a sturdy, heavy tripod… but in an airplane, the engine’s vibration is always going to be a little bit of a factor (unless you’re using a gryro-stabilizer or something pretty sophisticated like that on the camera). The resolution loss from the vibrations will probably negate any resolution advantage with the 5D.

      The 5D also provides shallower depth of field, giving portrait photographers a more blurry background… but since your subjects are presumably scenery (ie, background), this neither important nor desirable.

      The one advantage that you will see with the 5D Mark II or Mark III is improved image quality in low light. The 7D will look a little grainy, but the 5D will look significantly better, especially the Mark III. So, if you shoot a lot in the evenings, this might be something to consider.

      Good luck!

      – Matthew

      1. Matthew thank you so much for your advice, it was very helpful! I use the Canon 28-135mm lens and ALWAYS with clear sky and sunny days, so you think it will not worth the money if I get the 5D? I live in Colombia South America, so it will be a 5 million pesos camera (about 2.500 Dollars). Thank you again! If you’d like please visit my site at ww.aerodigitales.com

        1. Hey Donald, you’ve got some cool photos in your collection… I just took a brief look through them :) But no, I don’t think the 5D would improve your image quality significantly. In fact, the 7D has the better auto-focus system, so it’s probably the best choice.

          – Matthew

          1. Hi again Matthew. I just saw a comment you posted a few minutes ago about a 24MM lens. I do have 24-85mm and I want to buy a 17-55mm lens for my camera (canon 7D). Is it a bad idea? I appreciate your answer. Best regards. Donald.

            1. Hey Donald,

              If you mean the Canon 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM, then I think it’s a great idea. The lens is wonderfully sharp… I love it. I don’t really have anything bad to say about it except that it’s not an L lens, and it doesn’t quite have “L” build quality, but unless you’re used to using only “L” lenses, you won’t notice.

              The Sigma 17-50 f/2.8 is actually a good alternative, too… it’s just as sharp as the Canon except at the wide end of the zoom around the borders at f/2.8, and it’s $400 less.

              – Matt

              1. Yes Matthew. That’s the lens I’m gonna get. Now I know it is a good choice for my camera. Thank you very much!

  17. Hi Mathew
    I stumbled across your website through some links and really like your videos. I had a 5D and was waiting and waiting for the Mk III to be released. When it finally came out, I compared it to the Mk II and decided that the upgrade wasn’t worth $1600 and bought the Mk II,
    Since this is my first camera with live view, can you post a discussion on adjusting exposure based on histogram. I saw your excellent video on exposure and read the articles on histograms.
    I know this isn’t the right area of the forum, but why doesn’t Adobe have nice colored icons in the tools palate like elements ? Seems like it would make them easier to pick out !
    Thanks
    Bruce

    1. Hi Bruce,

      I’m actually in the process of making a video to go along with the histogram articles (sorta like the Exposure one goes along with the 3 Basics articles), but I’ve been a little busy lately, so I’m not sure how long it will take to complete. “Discussion” is probably a little too broad… but if you can narrow it down a little to some specific questions, I’d be happy to answer them as soon as I get a chance.

      There used to be a little bit more color in the Photoshop user-interface (but not much), and I think it was CS4 that added the option (and it was set by default) to have no color in the interface. It was done on purpose. For many professional editors, color control is very serious business; they work in color controlled environments (with the color of the light controlled) and even paint the walls of their work areas grey (the ISO standard paint is available at B&H). The reason is that color perception is dependent on the environment, and having color in the program’s interface affects how we perceive the color in the images… so to keep color bias out of the workflow, all color was removed from the interface. That’s also why a lot of photography websites and galleries (like this site) use a grey background… though it’s not really so important here.

      – Matthew

  18. Hi there!

    I love shooting landscape photography but get paid by shooting puppies in kennels for advertising. Since I am a photography student, what would be the best camera to buy since I don’t know yet what area I want to concentrate on. I have the 24-70 L and 50 1.4 lenses and an ef 70-210 f4. Since I make money with puppies right now should I get the 7d or the mark ii which would be good for the landscape I love shooting. I also shoot photos for my husband on homes that he works on exteriorly.

    Thanks for any insight.

    1. Hey Deb,

      When it comes down to it, the image quality of the 5D Mark II is a little better than that of the 7D. It’s not a huge difference, but it’s there. So, if you have the money to spend on a 5D, the only reason to buy the 7D instead is if you’re afraid the 7D won’t be able to keep up with the type of photography you do; the 7D does have a significantly better auto-focus system for sports and fast action photography, and a higher frame rate.

      It doesn’t sound like that will be an issue for you, though. The 5D Mark II is an excellent camera for landscape and portraiture work, and even if your subjects are a little squirmy, the AF system should be just fine :) I’d go with the 5D.

      Good luck!

      – Matthew

  19. Hi Matthew,

    Thanks for the very useful article! I’ve been pondering whether to get the 5D Mk.II or the 7D for a while and in my research, it seems that the pros and cons are:

    5D Mk. II: Full frame, better for landscape / wide-angle, less noise as high ISOs, older model so less of the new features, more expensive.

    7D: Crop frame (so added benefit for zoom), faster continuous shutter so better for sports and nature, newer model so newer features i.e. more customisable and more AF points, cheaper.

    To be honest I’m pretty much a newbie to “proper” photography, it’s certainly not my profession but I am interested in learning more. My photography has always been focused on landscapes, wide-angle and abstract macro stuff, but recently I’ve been doing quite a lot of portrait where the colour and quality of the final photo is much more important.

    I never photograph action or high-speed things so fast continuous shooting is more or less irrelevant for me. I’ve always assumed that the 5D Mk.II would be the best camera for me, but I’ve recently heard about the 7D (and researched others in the Canon range) and now the choice doesn’t seem so easy between these two, especially with the 7D being significantly cheaper (which means more to spend on the lens).

    Which would you recommend, between the 7D and the 5D Mk.II, for this situation? (Landscape and portraits, no sports or nature etc). Also, which lenses would you recommend for these two things?

    Thank you for your time,
    James.

    1. Hi James,

      Although the Mark II and the 7D are separated by a year, chronologically, they’re both technologically part of the same generation; I can’t think of any significant new features found on the 7D that are missing on the Mark II (as a result of new technology, at any rate).

      Unless you are an action photographer, it’s hard to make a case for going with the 7D, unless cost is going to be the deciding factor anyway. With the 5D, you’ll get better image quality, which is really the key for landscape and portraiture.

      In the right-column of the site, you’ll see a “Lens Recommendations” link, which is a good place to start; if you still have questions about specifics (most people do), let me know :)

      – Matthew

  20. Hi, I`m an amateur photographer and started taking photos a couple of years ago with a Canon 550D; I mostly enjoy doing street photography. I’m thinking now to buy a professional camera. I bought for the 550D camera some extra EF lenses: EFS 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM, EF 50mm f/1.4 USM, EF 100mm f/2,8Macro,etc. If I understand well, if I want to keep using properly these lenses, the best option would be the EOS 7D, not the EOS 5D MarkII. Am I right? If I buy the EOS 5D Mark II what lenses do you recommend? Thanks

    1. Hi Johnny,

      Of the lenses you mentioned, the only one that you couldn’t use on the Mark II would be the 10-22mm, which is an EF-S. All of the others will be great on the Mark II.

      So, you can either buy the Mark II and sell that lens for something equivalent for a full frame sensor (like the Tokina 16-28mm f/2.8), or you can buy the 7D and stick with what you’ve got.

      That said, the two cameras have different strengths. The 7D is faster and has a better auto-focus system, and the 5D has slightly better resolution and better low-light noise handling. For street photography, you may find that the fast AF system of the 7D is the most important consideration.

      I also have a “Lens Recommendation” section here… just take a look in the menu on the right side-bar :)

      – Matthew

  21. Hi Matthew,

    I am currently using a 40D with 24-105 f4L lens and I am looking to upgrade to get a camera with better low-light capability and video features. I am thinking in the future I will use it for 70% stills and 30% videos. Being able to shoot in low light is important to me as I try to avoid using a flash. On the other hand, I do like taking subjects in motion and I also like taking shots of my friends playing basketball in a gym. Aside from that I take different types of photos. How would you rate the low-light capability of the 7D as well as the quality of its videos? Would it be better for me to get a 7D then buy a wide angle lens (like the 10-22) or get the 5D and get telephoto lens (like the 100mm and the 70-200)?

    Thanks,

    Glenn

    1. Hi Glenn,

      The 7D/60D/T3i (which all use the same sensor, essentially) have moderately good low-light performance, but it’s not outstanding, and it tends to be a little noisier in the shadows. Proper post-processing makes a big difference; you can get very good results at ISO3200 as long as you don’t mind losing a little fine detail.

      The 5D II is significantly better, perhaps a full f-stop, and the Mark III is at least another stop better again.

      Of course, you could also gain that stop by using a larger aperture lens; or three stops by using a 50mm f/1.4, for example.

      I don’t do much with video, but the quality of that from the 7D is about on par with the 5D Mark II; the only major difference being the depth of field (a little shallower on the 5D, just as it is for photos).

      – Matthew

        1. Hi! I’m currently using a 40D too and am also looking for an upgrade. I would like to know which camera   you have chosen to purchase, the 7D or 5D? And what were the pro’s/cons that made you decide to chose that one? Thanks!

  22. Hi Mathew,

    I was contemplating the same question and while doing some research I stumbled upon this review. My interest is in night and astrophotography which require long exposures and high ISO. (Just to say that I am a beginner, easing my way into this field one step at a time – so no experience so far only what I read on the subject). Is in this case a 5D a better choice, because of the low noise? I am also thinking of a 70-200 mm f/4 lens as I read that telephoto lenses are the choice for astrophotography. Is that a good choice or do you you think there are better ones for this kind of photography (and for a reasonable price).

    Thank you,

    Monica

    1. Hi Monica,

      First, let me just make sure that you’re aware of the Canon 60Da, which is designed for astrophotography. I wrote a bit about it here.

      You’re right, of course, that you’re going to need to use long exposures and high ISO, for the most part (unless you’re photographing the moon), and for that, a camera like the 5D is a little better than the 7D, though you’re going to get some noise no matter what.

      As a general rule, Nikon’s cameras (which use Sony sensors, so Sony cameras, too) are a little better at dealing with noise at high ISO than Canon. It’s not a huge difference, but but if night/astro photography are your main interests, it’s probably a significant enough factor that you should seriously consider a Nikon instead: the Nikon D7000 or the D800 would both be great choices.

      As for lenses, it really depends on what you’re trying to capture. The Canon 70-200 f/4 is a great lens, but even if you’re photographing a large body like the moon, it’s not very powerful. Most astrophotographers would use an SLR mounted to a telescope with a T-mount, usually with the telescope set up with electronic tracking to compensate for the earth’s rotation during the exposure. But if you’re using the term more generally and just want to capture the night sky and aren’t concerned about particular details of it, then the focal length of the lens doesn’t matter so much as the maximum aperture… and any lens that lets in a lot of light (f/2.8 or larger) will give you the benefit of much less digital noise.

      I guess that answer was sort of all over the place :) Let me know if you still have questions!

      – Matthew

  23. Hi Mathew – I am torn between EF 16-35mm f2.8 II and 17-40mm f4 lens for Landscape and night photography.

    I am using 7D with EF 24-70mm f2.8 as a kit lens currently. I will move to FF but it might take 1-2 years as I have just started photography. Looking for your valuable advise.

    Appreciate your time.

    Rgds
    ASK

    1. Hi ASK,

      There are two issues here, I suspect: lens quality, and cost.

      When it comes to optical quality, the 17-40, unfortunately has some problems… particularly at 17mm, where the borders of the frame are so soft that they don’t register on standard MTF charts at all… and they’re still really soft at f/8. It’s better if you zoom it out to 20mm or so, but if you’re like me, you use your wide angle lenses as wide as you can most of the time. Beyond the 17-19mm range (or so), the lens is pretty solid, optically… though not exactly amazing.  The f/4 aperture isn’t too bad, but that’s also where the image quality is worst for the lens… so you’ll want to use it at f/5.6 at least, most of the time.

      The 16-35 is pretty good optically (at least, for a full frame lens in this range), and if you stop it down to f/4, of course it’s even better.  I think it’s also a more desirable zoom range to work with your 24-70; there’s less overlap at the long end, and it’s a little wider at the wide end. So, I think this is a significantly better choice for you… especially for shooting at night.

      Of course, the downside is the price tag… at $1600, it costs about twice as much as the 17-40. Whether the cost is worth it to you is something you’ll have to decide :) However, I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention other options:

      You might also consider the Tokina 16-28mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro. Optically, it’s as good as the Canon 16-35 (though that’s a little easier with the shorter zoom range), and your 24-70 covers the zoom range beyond 28mm anyway. Tokina is well known for producing lenses with professional build quality, too… and the price is about the same as the Canon 17-40mm.

      [edit] Actually, the Tokina 12-24mm f/4 might also be a good choice. Again, professional image and build quality, at a reasonable price.

      – Matthew

    1. I can’t really help with that; I pretty generally stick to the places I know and trust: Adorama, Amazon, and B&H. I think Ebay is generally pretty safe, but I don’t know anything about that particular seller. I’ve never purchased from the other two, but 42nd st. photo has been around a while, at least. I’ve never heard of bestpricephoto . It sounds a little sketchy to me, but I don’t know anything about it. Sorry :)

      – Matthew

  24. Wow, this is an excellent article, thanks so much for this!  It’s without a  doubt one of the best 5D Mark II vs 7D reviews I have read.  So, here’s my specific situation, and any input you can provide would be amazing.

    I am a student, working on my BS in photography.  I am currently using a Rebel Xsi but am starting to do some work professionally and think it might be time to upgrade.  Being a student, I’m unsure what branch of photography I’ll end up in, but had the following thoughts and would love to get your input:

    • I have a speedlite 430 EXII and understand the 7D will allow me to trigger my flash remotely, that sounds like a big plus!
    • I have a few years of school left and was thinking of going with the 7D for its balance of performance vs price and hopefully once I’m done with school in a few years the 5D Mark III will be available used – is this a reasonable line of thought?
    • I can see that the 5D Mark II is obviously sharper than the 7D in addition to being full frame and slightly better at high ISOs.  My question than is – yes thr 5D Mark II is better than the 7D in many ways, but is it $900 better?  In other words, all the specifics aside, which camera in your view is the better value?

    Thanks for your input, and great article!

    EDIT: I should add that I do my best to buy nice Canon EF lenses, but L series lenses are definitely out of my price range for the forseeable future.

    1. Hi Alex,

      Thanks :) I should start off by repeating my usual advice: buy the least expensive body that will fulfill your needs, and buy the best lenses you can afford. In this case, unless there’s something that you really need from a new body, your photography might actually benefit more from something like a 70-200 f/2.8L.

      That said, the 5D Mark II is probably not $600-900 (depending on current prices) better unless you shoot styles of photography that make use of its advantages. The 7D is probably a little more versatile overall, particularly when it comes to shooting action, and it’s still just fine in the studio. If you mainly shoot portrait and fashion, though, it may be worth the extra money.

      I guess that’s all just to say… without the context of a particular purpose, it’s not really possible to say which camera is a better value, since cameras are tools, and tools must be judged according to their suitability for getting a job done. Overall, though, it sounds like the 7D would make more sense for you, unless you have specific needs that I don’t know about :)

      Good luck :)

      – Matthew

  25. Hi Mathew,

    So I have no real particular thing I take photos of.  I really dont do a lot of landscape photography but do take pics of my daughter doing both ballet(not very well lit) and softball games.  Other than that just quite a few photos that consist of a little bit of everything.  I was originally thinking about going with the 5d ii but now Im thinking the 7d will be a good enough option to buy for what I need it for.  My current camera is the T2i but was looking at starting to get more L-series lenses and thought I should upgrade my camera to one of these 2 to help balance with the lenses.  Hopefully you will be able to help me out with this decision.

    Thanks for anything you can do to help and most of all thanks for your time,

    Nathan

    1. Hi Nathan,

      My general advice has always been, buy the least expensive camera that will meet your needs, and buy the best lenses that you can afford.

      When it comes to things like ballet photos, the 5D may give you a little better image quality at high ISO, but it’s not going to be dramatic… maybe 1 full stop of difference. The 7D will give you significantly better autofocus and shooting speed, though, for things like softball (not to mention the extra reach you get from the 1.6x crop). You’ll be able to get shallower depth of field with the 5D (because of the larger sensor), if you feel like you need it, but of course, large aperture lenses will help with that too.

      If you were doing a lot of landscape or portraiture work, I might lean towards the 5D if you haven’t been having any problems with the AF on your T2i. But as is, it sounds like there’d be some benefit to the 7D, but not a whole lot of benefit in going for the 5D.

      So, I’d lean towards the 7D. However, if there are other factors, let me know :) They are, of course, both excellent cameras.

      – Matthew

  26. Evening,

    This may sound mad… and tell me if you agree! I am a total newby to photography and had a little play on a friends Canon eos 7D and I was instantly impressed! I am going on Safari in October so he recommended getting this along with a 70-200 IS Lens. I think this could set me back a good £1200 and because I have only ever used point and shoot cameras and never touched a lens I didnt know if I am making a massive mistake! please give me your honest opinion! I was thinking about swatting up on dummie guides and photography self help dvd’s etc and thought this would be a good lifetime camera if looked after!

    Kind Regards

    Gary.

    1. A little mad, perhaps, but the same would be true of any serious photographer. The 7D is a great camera; probably the perfect camera for a safari unless your budget extends to 2600 quid for a body alone… then you might have some additional options :)

      A 70-200 L (either the f/4 IS or any of the f/2.8 models) would be a great lens choice for most situations; it’s a standard workhorse for photojournalists and event photographers in general, but I’m not sure that it’ll be perfect for a safari. For wildlife photography in general, longer focal length lenses are pretty important. For about the same price as a 70-200 f/4 IS you could also get a 300mm f/4 or a 400mm f/5.6 . Granted, they’re not nearly as flexible for other shooting situations. Another option would be to buy the 70-200 f/4 and a 1.4x teleconverter or 70-200 f/2.8 and a 2x teleconverter, which would give you a lot of flexibility, but there’d be some image degradation.

      Or, perhaps it would be more practical to buy the 70-200 for every-day use, and then hire a longer lens for the safari from a pace like http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/eng/services/rental.cfm or http://www.hirental.co.uk/

      Good luck :)

      1. I like the 70-200 + 2x teleconverter if this is something he’ll need continually going forward.  If not, another option might be to rent one or two longer focal length lenses.

         

  27. Hi,

    I am struggling to make a decision between 7D and 5dMII. If I can get a used 5DMII for the same price as a new 7D would you recommend 5DMII over 7D without any reservations? For me performance and auto-focus speed/accuracy are of prime importance. I am mostly interested in candids and fast action. I am planning to invest in excellent lenses.

    thanks,
    raghu

    1. The 5D Mark II is going to give you a couple of advantages in image quality (high ISO, shallow DOF, slightly better resolution), but it’s not a great action camera. The AF system is mediocre at best (only 1 cross-type AF point… the same general setup as the Rebel series cameras… even the 60D has 9). The 7D has 19 of them, is very fast and responsive, and can take twice as many frames per second.

      So, if action is your aim, then I’d opt for the 7D instead… or save up for the 5D Mark III, or a used 1D series camera.

      – Matt

    2. Please ignore this question, it has been answered very well in the older posts. I am going with the 7D.

  28. This was a very helpful article! I’ve been trying to find a good comparison of these two cameras as I am ready to upgrade from my EOS rebel. I shoot mostly handheld shots, but am starting to get into landscape. I don’t shoot much action either. I think this has helped my make my final decision. Now I just need to go and hold each one in my hand and get a feel for it! Thanks you so much!

    1. Hi Wendy,

      Glad this was helpful :) Sounds like there’s a good chance that the 5D Mark II will be the right camera for you, but keep in mind that the lenses you choose are just as important (or more important) than the camera body. Good luck!

      – Matthew

  29. Thanks for the very helpfull article. I came across this article by searching 7D vs 5D Mark II and this article plus the post about the 5D Mark II vs 5D Mark III was just the info I needed.

    Reading this post I only was more confused about which camera to choose, my answer was more like “All of the above”. Then I read the article about the new 5D Mark III and the answer was “Just get the Mark III”

    I have been shooting with a Rebel X1i for a while now and now that I am being asked more often to shoot at weddings and youth sports events and still enjoy doing portraits as well as landscapes. It seems the 5D Mark III has the best of both worlds. The only gripe is that I have a Sigma 8-16MM that I love and that does not work with the full frame. What are your thoughts on this?

    1. I know what you mean about the 8-16mm; I feel the same way about the Tokina 11-16mm.

      Luckily, Sigma makes a lens that’s nearly equivalent for full frame: the Sigma 12-24mm 4.5-5.6 II HSM , which not only has respectable resolution, the distortion is very well corrected. It’s worth checking out.

      And if you don’t mind giving up a little of the zoom range to get some extra low-light performance, the Tokina 16-28mm f/2.8. I love the build quality of Tokina lenses.

      Sounds like you’re on the right path with the Mark III :)

      – Matthew

  30. Thanks Mathew,

    I don’t make any prints,So there is no point in me buying 5D Mark II, The photos are used only for blogging.What i want from the new camera is the additional functionality of HD video shooting.
    I did see a couple of offers, and my friend picked up the 7D for $1,300 just 2 days ago,
    It is looking good.Will keep your advice.

    Thanks once again.

  31. Hello Mathew,
    You would have answered this question already 100times, 5d Mark II or 7D.

    I am also in the same dilemma which one to buy, Full frame v/s APC. I do have the Rebel XTI which is a APC Sensor.
    I generally shoot Birds, Nature,no studio shoots, its just a hobby and no money making business.
    The only reason i want to upgrade is XTI doesn’t have video option.
    Always heard of full frame’s superiority.
    Waited for 5D Mark III but the price is bit on higher end $3,400
    With 7D around(Dual Digic4 Processor,19 focus points) $1,200 v/s 5d’s Digic 4 Processor,9 Point Focus)$1,900

    Could you please suggest me which one to buy among the 2. Money is not a issue, Would like to make one final investment on the body and in the future focus on lenses.

    Regards,
    Sunil

    1. Hi Sunil,

      I guess the first question is simply whether the AF system on your current camera works sufficiently well for what you want to do with it; in many cases, people don’t need a 19 cross-point system.

      That said, there are two reasons that the 7D is really a better camera for photographing birds and wildlife; first, of course, is that it will be able to track moving objects better (birds in flight, etc) and in lower light conditions. And you’ll have the advantage of a much higher frame rate; the 5D Mk II won’t be much faster than your XTi, while you’ll get tremendously fast burst rates with the 7D. It’s also important to keep in mind that you’ll be getting the 1.6X crop factor, and a 200mm f/2.8 lens is a lot less expensive than a 300mm f/2.8… the extra reach with an APS-C is really handy for wildlife that way.

      The only real advantage of the 5D Mark II would be that it will give you less digital noise at high ISO, and it has the potential to give you a little higher resolution and sharpness (particularly when tripod mounted, for shooting landscapes), and it will give you about a 1 f-stop shallower depth of field (for an image that’s framed the same way). Having been shooting with Canon’s 18 megapixel sensors for quite some time now, they do get a little noisy in the shadows, particularly at high ISO, but it’s pretty easy to control with some basic adjustments in lightroom or Camera Raw.

      If you shoot a lot of landscape photography AND like to make large prints, then the 5D Mark II would probably still be worth considering; with good technique, a solid tripod, cable release, etc, you’d be able to get better image quality from it.

      From what you’ve described as your shooting style, though, I’d recommend the Canon 7D . And more importantly, some high quality lenses.

      Also, if you’re in the USA and you’re finding the 7D listed at close to $1200, please save yourself some agony and do a thorough search for reviews of the merchant; there are dozens of places on the internet set up to scam people by offering prices that are not quite low enough to be unbelievable, but if you place an order online, they force you to call them for a hard up-sell, and won’t usually honor the online price… it’ll be back-ordered 6 months, mysteriously.

      – Matthew

  32. I find your advice & recommendations very helpful & informative. My dilemna- I was advised by my Photog Coach to buy the 7D as the perfect choice for studio & outdoor pics & my great need for the best camera to take pics of jewelry ( as I am a jewelry designer & Make-Up artist & need pics for my website). I am wondering why I wasn’t advised to get the 5D Mark II. Do you think I should have opted for the 5D Mark II? Will the same lenses work for both the 7D & the 5D Mark II? Thank you for your time.

    1. Hi Nalini,

      It really depends on what your outdoor pictures are; if you’re doing landscape / cityscape work, the 5D would be perfect; if you’re doing high-action… sports, dancing, etc… then the 5D Mark II is not ideal.

      If you’re primarily doing studio photography (jewelery, fashion, portrait, etc), then I would have recommended the 5D Mark II, but that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with the 7D. Part of your instructor’s decision may have been based on how you’re going to be using the photos. If they’re only going to be used on the web (or primarily), then the slightly better image quality of the 5D is inconsequential, since even very large, full screen photos are too low resolution to show the difference in image quality that the cameras produce… so spending more on the 5D may not have made sense.

      As for lenses: the 7D can use all of the lenses that fit the 5D, but the 5D can’t use EF-S lenses that are made for cropped sensor cameras like the 7D.

      If you decide to get a 5D Mark II, this is actually a good time for it. With the recent announcement of the 5D Mark III, there was an official price reduction for the Mark II yesterday: $2199. For many people, it’s still the best camera option in the Canon lineup, which is why it wasn’t replaced by the Mark III.

      Let me know if you still need some clarification :)

      – Matthew

  33. Hi,

    I am planning to buy EOS-7D but not sure which lens I should buy for candid photography. I am also interested in knowing about the lens requirement for Wild life as well as Landscape and Architectural photography.

    I am intending to purchase a full frame camera later in future. Will I be able to use my lens which I am buying for EOS 7D on the full frame camera.

    Thank you for your time in advance.

    Rgds
    Anup

    1. Hi Anup,

      There are lots of good lenses out there, which can make a choice (and a recommendation) hard.

      If you’re interested in candid shots, the main requirements would be that they’re good in low-light (don’t have to use flash) and fast focusing. The best lenses for low light (without getting into the outrageous price range) are the Canon 50mm f/1.8 and f/1.4, and the 85mm f/1.8. The 85mm is a typical portrait lens, and the 50mm are a little wider. All of these lenses will work with the 7D or a full frame camera.

      However, they’re not necessarily the best options for flexibility, since they’re not zoom lenses… and the zoom range that would be helpful really depends on what you’d be photographing.

      A good option for wildlife, architectural detail, sports, portraits, and candids from a distance, is the 70-200 f/2.8 family of lenses. They’re very sharp, good in low light, and fast focusing. I’d recommend the 70-200 f/2.8L to just about anyone, and the 70-200 f/2.8L IS II to anybody who is serious about photography (and can afford it). Both lenses will work on a full-frame camera or the 7D.

      Landscape and architecture are tricky…. there are lots of ways to shoot them. If you were expecting to be a professional architecture photographer, I’d recommend a tilt-shift lens, but if your needs aren’t that precise, then most people are satisfied with a more typical lens. For interiors, wide angle lenses are usually used, and they’re typical for landscape work, too. Here, you’ll want to get a lens that is designed for a crop-sensor camera. For an ultra-wide zoom, I recommend the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8, which can double as a good low-light lens for candid work. Otherwise, the Sigma 10-20 or the Canon 10-22 (both about equivalent, optically) are good options, but will not be so handy in low-light.  For wide-angle to mid-range zooms, the Sigma 17-50mm f/2.8 OS HSM is great, as is the Canon 17-55 f/2.8. Optically, the Canon is a little better at f/2.8, but they’re about equivalent from f/4 on up. These will only work on cropped sensors, but if you move to full frame exclusively, they will be easy to sell for most of their value.

      Feel free to let me know if you still need some help narrowing it down.

      1. Matthew – Thank you for your insights.

        Indeed I need your help to further zero-in on few lenses.

        In candid photography I am looking at street photography and Zoom lens options. Any suggestions here would be helpful. I was looking at 24~70mm f/2.8L USM or 16-35 f/2.8L as my options here.

        The other lens – for Wildlife – I have made up my mind on is 70-200 f/2.8L IS II with your help.

        For architectural photography, I was looking exteriors as well as for Inside church photography in almost darkness. I am also looking at capturing the depth while shooting the monuments to have a free hand in innovating my portraits.

        Appreciate your time.

        Rgds
        Anup

        1. For street photography, 35mm lenses are traditional, but there’s no particular reason why that has to be the case. That’s about a 22mm lens on the 7D.

          The 24-70 is a nice lens, and the new Mark II model, which should hit store shelves in a few months, will be even better… but it’s not the greatest lens for use on a 7D. The problem is that it’s just not very wide angle… it converts to a 38-112 mm lens on the 7D, and 38mm is a pretty disappointing wide-angle lens.

          The 16-35 f/2.8 (ii) is a much better range (26-56mm), and you’ll get the sweet-spot effect on the 7D, and have a great wide-angle on full frame, so if you’re set on getting a full frame lens, I’d lean this direction. At 16mm, it will still only act as a 26mm lens on the 7D, but that’s a pretty fair wide angle lens. This would overlap only part of the range of a 17-50 or 17-55 f/2.8 lens, obviously…. and it would leave you a significant gap in coverage between the 35mm and 70mm range where the 16-35 stops and the 70-200 begins.

          Either way, the 11-16 f/2.8 Tokina is still a good option for the truly wide angle range, though, especially if you’re talking about dark interiors (you’ll need a tripod for really dark churches, no matter what lens you choose)

  34. Hi, i’m doing studio photography as well as shooting kids in natural light . I would like to buy a camera that produce the best DOF ,good AF system , and can shoots running kids.
    What to do you think is it better for me to buy the 7D ,wait until it’s replacement or switch to nikon?

    1. Hi Sarah,

      First of all, it’s worth keeping in mind that even though the 5D MarkII and the T3i don’t have the best AF system in the camera world, it’s still quite good. As you know, thousands of professional wedding photographers and journalists use the 5D to shoot events, though generally not professional sports. It shouldn’t have problems focusing on running kids, with a good lens.

      If you mean that you want the shallowest depth of field, then yes… a full frame sensor would be best. The 5D Mark II would be great, the next generation will probably be released next week, or at least next month. I expect it to have a great AF system (61 point) and roughly the same resolution as the current camera… probably better high-ISO performance than the Nikon D800, but that’s a great looking camera too.

      Nikon D800 or Canon 5D is going to be a hard choice. It will depend on how heavily invested you are in one brand or another, I suspect.

  35. Hello Matthew,

    I’m a bit confused now, I want to upgrade from my current DSLR Canon 450D but don’t know what should be my next step?
    mainly I’m in portraiture, landscape and architecture photography but occasionally shoot wildlife and close-up (No Macro).
    So how should I proceed? should I go for 5DII or 7D

    1. For landscape/architecture and portraiture, the 5D Mark II is really the best option; it will provide the best image quality, and these are not auto-focus intensive subjects. The AF system on the 7D is significantly better, but that doesn’t mean that the AF system on the 5D is bad; it works remarkably well… but if you’re shooting action in low-contrast situations in low light, you’ll get a higher percentage of sharp shots with the 7D. It sounds like you’re not going to be running into that situation very frequently, though… so the 5D Mark II should be the clear winner here.

      – Matthew

  36. Hi I am just getting into the photography world and these two cameras really interest me I do photography as a hobby I lOVE it. I was wondering if you can help me decide which Canon DSLR would fit me most. I really like doing outdoor shoots with people with the grass, trees, all the nature outside. I also love capturing headshots and sometimes even macro shots. If you can please get back to me and help me decide i would appreciate it lots! Thank you!! :)

    1. Hi Amy,

      Unless you’re primarily an action photographer, there’s not much question that the 5D Mark II is the superior camera when it comes to image quality. The 5D Mark II is a bit less expensive right now than it was 6 months ago, but it’s still considerably more expensive than the 7D, so it’ll really depend on whether the slight improvement in potential image quality is worth it to you.

      The 7D is generally faster and more responsive for shooting action, but the 5D is certainly a very capable camera as well. As a general rule, fine art and portrait photographers prefer the image quality of the 5D, while journalists and action photographers sometimes prefer the speed of the 7D. If you expect to use a lot of telephoto lenses, the 7D has a smaller sensor, so it effectively increases the magnification by 1.6x, so for example, a 200mm lens becomes a 320mm lens. Some wildlife photographers find that to be an advantage, and for the same reason, macro work is a little easier with the 7D.

      Again, from what you’ve said, I’d recommend the 5D Mark II if it’s within your budget, but the 7D will serve you well also.

      Hope that helps a little. If you need a little further clarification, let me know :)

      – Matthew

  37. hi, i am a student atm and i am studying video and photography but i do a lot of part time work doing music videos and also photography for weddings etc for clients , but i am leaning more to videos side now,how ever i have been trying to figure out which camera will benefit the quality of my videos and photography the reason i am finding it so hard is everyone i ask either says 5d or 7d it never one sides and i soon as i think am on to a winner someone come along and make me think other wise…………..ps could you help i really am stuck for choice!!!

    1. If you’re really serious about video, the 5D Mark II is the best SLR for the job, though it’s a bit more expensive. In part, this is because of the Magic Lantern firmware that’s available for the 5D, that really gives you the extra features that you need for professional film work, but it’s also because of the fact that the sensor on the 5D is significantly larger. With a larger sensor, you can get shallower depth of field, and that allows you more creative control over which part of your frame is in focus and which parts are blurred (the lack of this is really what makes video from small sensor video cameras so ugly). The larger sensor of the 5D also gives you a little less noise at high ISO than the 7D.

      There is still no working version of the magic lantern firmware for the 7D.

      When it comes to photography, the 5D is really the better camera for studio photography and portrait work, while the 7D is better for sports and action photography; it’s faster and has a better auto-focus system, though they’re both just fine for moderately paced action, especially in good light.

      In the end, it really comes down to which camera suits your needs, but to me, it sounds like the 5D Mark II is right for you. Good luck!

      – Matthew

  38. Matthew, I currently have a 40D and primarily take pictures of my kids in sports (lacrosse and ringette, both indoors, not great lighting). The primary lens I use is EF 70-300 f/4-5.6 Would you suggest upgrading to a new body, either 5D or 7D or go for a new lens EF 70-200 f/2.8 instead of the body? My original thought was the lens but lately I am second guessing that. My biggest problem now with my current set up is trying to work in poor lighting conditions in sports with lots of action using a not so fast lens. I know the f/2.8 lens would help with that situation somewhat, but I’m still concerned about noise. Thanks for any advice you can offer…

    1. Hi Lana,

      First of all, what ISO are you shooting now that’s giving you problems? (People have different levels of what is acceptable, depending on print size, etc).

      An f2.8 lens is 2 stops faster than a 5.6, so, if you were shooting 1/250th sec at ISO 3200, you’d be able to shoot the same shutter speed at ISO 800 at f2.8, which would make a tremendous difference in noise. And, of course, if you shot with a 50mm f1.4 you’d add two more stops of light…. you could shoot at ISO 200 :) (or at a much faster shutter speed).

      Alternately, shooting with a 7D might give you the equivalent of about a stop better noise at the same ISO above 800, and since the image will be larger, it will be possible to scale it down and further reduce the noise. It’s been too long since I’ve used a 40D for me to have a good idea of what the noise is really like, though. That said, my general advice is always go get the best lens possible, since they’ll last much longer than a body. The 60D will have the same benefits.

      The 5D will have significantly better noise handling than the 7D, but not necessarily dramatically better… and unfortunately, your 40D (and the 60D) has a better auto-focus system than the 5D Mark II. Which is not to say that the AF system on the 5D is bad, it’s just not the camera’s strong point.

      Don’t know if that helps… but it’s too late tonight for me to be much more helpful :)

      – Matthew

        1. Bill, using a flash isn’t really an option. I am shooting through glass at ice level in most venues, a few years back when I tried using a flash it just bounced back and didn’t really do anything to help make the photo better or even usable. I have seen others shoot above the glass using a flash and the results were harsh. The ice was blown out.

      1. Matthew, thanks for the reply, it did help. Last weekend my ISO ranged, at 1600 the photos had some noise but it wasn’t awful. Lower ISO the noise wasn’t as bad but the pictures were much darker and had some blur. Today I set the ISO at 1600 and the noise was much more noticeable but we were in a different arena. Lighting varies dramatically between venues. I have a 50mm f/1/8 however it hasn’t worked well for me for action, I prefer being able to zoom in and out with the action. I guess my biggest question is, will a 7D handle noise considerably better than my 40D? Right now, the 7D is on sale for a good price – do I spend the money or put it to a lens instead? Thanks!

        1. Hi Lana,

          I personally don’t shoot above 1600 on a 7D. The noise just is workable at 1600 if the exposure is correct, too noisy if I under-expose. I don’t like the noise at 3200, and the noise levels at 6400 on the 7D are bad. It’s not an acceptable solution for your problem… though it’s a great camera, and there are plenty of other good reasons to buy it.

          All other things being equal, shooting at f2.8 at 1600 is equivalent to shooting at 6400 at f5.6. I would definitely spend the money on the lens. If you’re not sure, though, you might consider renting an f2.8 from a place like BorrowLenses.com , and see how you like it.

          Where’s the good sale on the 7D? Just curious :)

          – Matt

          1. Thanks Matt, you have given me a lot to think about. I have rented the 70-200 f/2.8 in the past and I loved it! It was an amazing lens! Still not certain what I will do, but thank you so much for all your help and insight.

  39. I have to agree with Craig. Having been through the 7d vs. MKII tunnel and coming out of the other side with a MKII, there is a difference in IQ between the two formats that is as satisfying as 35mm film was. It was the original 5d that stopped me from ditching digital photography as a replacement media for film. IQ isn’t just about edge to edge sharpness, or the ability to use the camera like a machine gun, it is about having those other aesthetic qualities that one cannot always put their finger on easily, that drew many of us into photography in the first place. Imagined or not, I still prefer the quality of the raw files from 5dMKII and my 5d classic over the raw files of my buddy’s 7d with L series lenses files.

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